got the rear speakers installed, which were much easier than the front, i took out 5 screws and i could work on the install. the speakers mounting straight with the stock holes (stock speakers were in fact 6.5") and it sounds good. i mean it could sound better (better speakers) but the way i see it, i spent so little on em last year, that it seems like they were free when i installed em so, its all good

now to work on a cheap sub for the van