Well my goal is straight sq here, no evan i am a little leary about your advice seeing how you are recomending alpine type x for front stage....sure they are alpine top bla bla but really they are not even in the same class as jl and focal... the reason i am getting a 4 channel amp is because the cross overs a are bi-ampable (1 chanel to tweet 1 to woffer) money is not really an option but both amps are in the 400 dollar range for what I have found.. MY real question is whitch amp is better the jl or the kicker , i have no fancy for phenox gold but thanks for the suggestion, go take a listen to some jl and alpine will sound like sony explode... lol