well thankx for everyones input so far!!! As far as the pg subs im not really to much into pg stuff, iv even herd of there reps not liking it. I really likke those id max subs tho, i cheacked them out, there quite pricey and iv never herd of them or one before so any more info would be nice. And the focals were oviously my first choice, and a few guys have told me that there very good sq subs, but that they require a big box even for sealed, but one question i do have is, would a 16" focal be good for sq or would it be better to go with a smaller sub like a 11'' or 13''? Also if any one has any info on dyma subs iv also herd there good for sq and any other subs that r good please let me kno!!!!!!! Thankx again to everyone that replyed so far.