ugh, i just looked at the specs for the 9857... 2v pre-outs

and no time correction, which by the way if you do right is better than an eq, if you screw it up it'll sound like crap.
That is crazy, i can't believe alpine would ever go to 2v outputs on a high-end deck. I honestly wouldn't upgrade, since it's not much of an upgrade at all. Better yet, go with eclipse. I know they just dropped their pre-out voltages too, but it's still 5v. And you get time-correction, the best anti-skip on the market, and a WAY more advanced security, GPS tracking and electronic serial number over alpines...huh... detachable face.
It's sad to see the way everything is just fading away to some 'consumer demand' portion of the market, where every 16 year old girl will pull at her dad's sleeve until he gets her one.