Hello,

A little background:

The music I like to listen to is mostly metal, heavy on the double kick drums with thick power chord riffs. I do mix it up sometimes with some techno or just generic rock. I recently purchased a Jeep liberty. Finding the stock stereo to be absolute poop/****/garbage/ect, I began my quest for better sound. My first venture was to update the deck to an Alpine 9847 and this made a WORLD of difference to the stock speakers. I was very happy with this upgrade. I figured, why stop there? So after alittle research I picked up an Infinity Basslink (10" self powered 200watt sub Link It turned out ok. Its able to reproduce the low end frequency but its missing a "punch".

So my quest continued for a good bang/buck sub. I then decided to go the classic sub/amp/box route. I picked up an MTX thunder 6500D amp off ebay, which will put out about 500watt RMS, and have been hunting for a sub ever since.


My goals are as follows:
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• The sub must keep up with very fast dual kick drums that are common to metal</font>
• It can't take up my entire cargo area. 1 sub of any size seems to be ok, but the dual boxes are looking far too big.</font>
• My goal is to be able to feel the pound of the drum (I assume SPL does this? still new to this stuff)</font>
• Would like to keep the cost of the subs to around $250 or below</font>

So, I went down to my trusty A&B sound to talk and listen to some subs. The sales man suggested I look at the Alpine Type-R subs. He mentioned that because of my music prefference that a 10" would be able to keep up much better then a 12". We tried out a setup of 2 10" type-r's and 2 12" type-r's. The man was right, the 10's sounded nice and crisp but the 12's had a real hard time keeping up and ended up sounding really muddy. Now with that said, the 10's were in a box with the subs pointing backwards(the rear of the sub was poking out of the box facing me, not sure why they did this?).

Is this a normal acceptance of a 10" sub being much more able to keep up with hard hitting metal then a 12"?

Listening to the subs in the store, they sounded great but was missing that chest pound feeling. Now I know it makes a big difference when its not in a large store and its in a small enclosed space, but do you guys think 1 10" with 500watts would give the results i'm looking for?

What is the advantage of going with 2 subs instead of 1?

Any other advice? I've been lurking here for a while and have really appreciated your guys posts. Hopefully this thread will help others in the same situation as me.

Thanks!
-Cyntax

[ September 18, 2005, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: Cyntax ]

The impact of a kick drum is more focused in the midbass region than the subbass region. You can get excellent 'fast' bass out of 15's if the system is set up correctly. I would suggest that you focus some money and time on the front speakers by sound deadening around them and giving them some decent amplifier power if you truly want to experience the double pedal kick drum.

^Agreed, spend the money where it is important to you, the sub is not that important to thrash

A good mid-bass that has a warm flavor to it and can crank is what you appear to be looking for (JBL, Oz, Dynaudio, Morel etc.). A single 15 or a single 12 will do you well (I like the idea of the 10's).

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I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.

I have to also agree. The range that a kick drum plays, you are much better off looking for a really nice "mid bass" driver to throw in your doors in a properly designed enclosure.

Another option is to get a good 10" or maybe even a nice pair of 8" woofers and cross em over reasonably high so they will play those higher frequencies.

I loved how my Saturn sounded with the Single 12" and my 6.5" Focal Mistrels up front. The Focals provided such a nice kick on alot of metal/rock/jazz.

Thanks for all the replies guys.

So midbass huh? Right now there are 6.5" component speakers in the front doors (with tweaters on the dash) and 6.5" in the rear doors.

So do you think my best bet is to hunt down a nice pair of 6.5" components for the front and run an amp with them? Any suggestions on what I should look for? So far most 6.5" speakers i've heard kinda sound crappy, but I haven't reallly given them a good look yet.

What type of vehicle do you have? Are the front components factory or aftermarket?

My Dynaudio Mid's play metal quite well. I highly suggest them. I do not run a sub in my car these days.

Its a 2005 jeep liberty. They are factory speakers, just powered by the alpine deck.

If you are still looking for a sub to *add* to the double kick drums and what not, definitely look towards the Stereo Integrity D2 12" subwoofer.

^ A what? never heard of it.


So you have the 6500D. I would suggest a pair of midlevel 10s or 8s in a vented box. Think more TypeS than TypeR or the MTX 5500 or RF P2 rather than 8500 or P3.

Plus I will also echo your need for some good midbass. Any set over $250 that sounds good to you will do well and consider a 50x2 or larger amp for them.