I have heard that there was some pretty hardcore cheating by a certain competitor at finals, and that when Ray Choy found it he just had the competitor fix the offending mod, and then go compete, when it should have been an automatic DQ. WHat do you guys think about this?

didnt know ray choy was the judge that allowed this.

its hard to make the call without knowing the whole story though. i think we should wait for ray to post and hear his side of the story first

I heard that he was using the big Rockford's and the spot where the fuse goes was covered up, Ray asked him to remove the piece and there was a battery directly wired into there. This happened before qualifying.

clever buggers if they did that. not so clever if they got caught, regardless cheating should mean immediate dq, these guys all know the rules long before they get to finals

well cheating is no good.... definitely agree with that point. but as a judge ive seen many things that constitute "not allowed behavior" some judges allow it some don't. but yes at a final 4x event. all of them know exactly what is allowed and not allowed.

this battery thing eludes me as im not familiar with this practise, but don't guys mod thier amps anyways and change the way thier amps work anyways? isnt modding allowed? unless you mean that it sends them over 18 volt? is that why this battery was in there?

Modding it to allow it to drop to a lower impedence is one thing...

adding an extra battery is flat out cheating IMHO and he should have been DQ'd immediately.

I find it hard to believe that it was ONLY Ray who would have a say in whether or not he could still compete but it's very disapointing.

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i'm not 100% sure on the cheating issues at worlds this year.... but i do know that some of the competitors were not happy with certain judgement calls. I will not post anythign incriminating on here, as it's not my place to name any faces, or ppl who have said what!

Ray Choy did an Excellant job this year! Congrats to him on being named head judge this year at the 2005 World Fianls!


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There are a few different ways to look at this.. I mean I know of several competitors who were "cheating" without cheating.. meaning their vehicle was not within the rules (without them knowing), and they were given a chance to fix this. This could happen to anyone, the few people I know that this happened to did not have the slightest idea that they weren't within the rules.

Then of coarse there are the other people who attempt to bend/break the rules.

The problem is, who do you give the chance to fix, and who do you just DQ. I mean anyone can just say they didn't know, but how many of them will be telling the truth?
How do you tell who is trying to cheat and who has something which fractures the rules without knowing?

I support Ray's decision on this matter, he was fair with everyone from what I saw and heard. Anyone who's vehicle fractured or broke the rules - he gave them a chance to fix the infacturement so they could still compete. Can you imagine how many pissed off people there would be if they didn't do this? (this would be almost half of the competitors).

Although it appears the vehicle/competitor who got caught with the battery was blatently trying to cheat, everyone else was allowed to fix thier vehicles to adhere to the rules, it would be too hard to justify why one person was dq'd, but not the rest.

Sorry for the rants

sorry for a sec there i was in extreme mode. now i realize that it was a stock issue.

i've seen this before. in no way would i mention a name but in iasca it is different. 1 batt per amp.

do you think that it was a competitor who competes in more than one sanction or was it a straight out cheater?

no names...im just curious as to the situation.

personally i guess it mattered on the competitor. if it was a first time competitor or a seasoned db drag hard core. but i would probably allow the person to fix the problem but i would do a complete check of all voltages and wiring on a competitor that is doing something ... not up to par. i've been thru the inspection process only because our car was not built for a certain sanction. i would have hated to be disco'd over something , i would have appreciated the chance to fix it. or decide to move up a class.(which in the end i did)

but i can only asume that ray c would want to have that competitor save face maybe. he is a nice guy so i can't picture him being a totalitarianism.. hard one to call. but megahz post below does give validity to the disco if it would have happened. the guy shows ray the batt which might make it a legit mistake. maybe

[ October 11, 2005, 09:09 AM: Message edited by: Team Shadow ]

But who is to say what is a minor and what is a major infraction? It may seem like a major infraction because it was in direct violation of the rules, but it might have been seen as minor since from what I read, it sounded like Ray asked what it was and the competitor readily told him, didn't try to hide it. </font>[/quote]Well, if this was the 1st time THIS competitor had been caught trying to cheat. (sorry, adding batteries to your amp is not a misunderstanding, it's cheating) then I could understand. But this is the 2nd time.

Also, I notice you left out 11-7 of the rule book. Lemme quote it for you

He is a veteran competitor who has been to a few other WC's before so it's not like he just didn't know he can't add a battery to his amps.

Besides, ignorance of the rules shouldn't be an acceptable excuse.

If dbDrag wants to put itself up on a pedestal as THE organisation to compete in, then they need to act like it.

No one says "well if he didn't know he was taking steroids then it's ok" during the Olympics.

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